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What Makes Us Good Or Evil

Psychopathic Killers

Unsettling but revealing

Professor Mel Slater

Scientists are daring to investigate this unsettling question. They're trying to peel back the mask of the psychopathic killer. What separates us from these terrifying people? What they're finding is revealing something about the good and evil in us all.

Now scientists are rewriting our ideas about right and wrong, even of crime and punishment. What they're finding could turn your world upside down.

In London, a group of researchers have devised a rather unusual experiment. They wanted to see if we had a moral instict, and what it might look like in action.

They've invited volunteers to face a stark moral choice, but they've added a twist. They're not going to rely on what the volunteers say they would do, but what they actually do.


Professor Mel Slater: "No-one really knows themselves that well to know how they would respond in an extreme situation. Now, we wouldn't want to manufacture an extreme situation in physical reality, but in virtual reality you can. Everyone knows that what they do has no real consequences, but nevertheless there's a basic part of the brain that doesn't know virtual reality, it just makes people respond as they would in reality albeit maybe at a lesser level of intensity."

The volunteers find themselves in an art gallery. Their role is to operate a lift and take visitors to the first floor.

Five people are on the first floor and one on the ground floor. A man comes in and asks to be taken to the first floor where he starts shooting the five people. Does the volunteer move him back down, risking the life of the person on the ground floor in the hope of saving the five or do they do nothing?

Virtual Reality

If they move the gunman down, they will be responsible for the death of that one person, but if they leave him there more people will die, but it won't be their fault.

Professor Slater: "They have to do the action, they have to make the lift come down, so they have to press a button to kill one."

One of the questions Mel's asking is how volunteers make this tough decision.

Emma, volunteer

Emma, one of the volunteers offers "I wasn't really thinking too much, I definitely acted with my emotions in there, Once he started shooting it was very much instinctive, Oh I should get him out of the way of these people." Another says "I was stressed, I panicked, I was surprised, I couldn't then manage operate the buttons properly."

Mel studied hundreds of people and has found a consistent pattern. He reports "I think its a conflict between reason and emotion, there's an immediate reaction an immediate need to do something and then layered on top of this, a bit slower the cognitive response, the rational analytic response, but by that time its too late."

At Yale University scientists have designed an ingenious experiment. They wanted to see if babies are born good or bad. Hundreds of parents have volunteered their children. The two scientists behind the project are Karen Wynne and Paul Bloom. Professor Bloom explains "I would give a year of my life to spend 5 minutes as a baby to be able to recapture what it feels like to be that sort of creature. We're interested in the origin of morality, the origin of good and evil. We want to see what people start off with, do they start with good impulses or bad impulses and how does that develop into an adult sense of right and wrong." They wanted to find out what is in a baby's brain. Trying to unlock this secret they devised a kind of morality play, that each baby would watch and then gauge their reaction. About 70% of the babies showed a tendency toward good.

Professor Paul Bloom

But, if 70% choose the good guy, that leaves 30% who don't. So, what does that say about those babies? Prof. Bloom "We've always wondered about that. What do you do with the babies who reach for the bad guy. The sort of sexy explanation is that these are psychopath babies, these are babies who see the world differently, who actually prefer the bad guy. I think that's a logical possibility but more likely it is just random as in any experiment."

The high percentage of babies who pick the good puppet is striking. These are the first experiments to show that a moral instinct really seems present in babies Prof. Bloom "I would suggest that the morals we have as adults are already present by the time we reach our first birthday." Most of us seem to start life with good impulses not bad. The inclination to help each other, to empathise seems to be built into our brains. We feel distress when we see someone in pain, but why? The fact that this is such a strong feeling has inspired a new and bold scientific quest.

Professor Paul Zak of Claremont University "Human Beings are obsessed with morality, we need to know why people are doing what they're doing, and I am obsessed with morality I really want to know when people are good  and evil and why that occurs." Paul Zak is a neuro-scientist, his mission is to try and trace the basis of our morality He explains "So, I was really looking for a chemical basis for these behaviours. If there's a chemical involved that means we can not only measure it, but we can manipulate it."

Paul wanted to find the actual chemicals that drive our behaviour. He's using a group of people who don't know each other well, but are going to have to work together if they want to succeed. Paul thinks that their brain chemistry may undergo a transformation. They may release a chemical that will make them feel empathy. If this is true, this chemical could be driving our morality. It could be the moral molecule. Paul expounds "We see lots of cooperation in the world, but we don't know why. We begin wondering if there is an underlying biological basis for cooperation. If there was a biology of cooperation, could there be an underlying chemical foundation for this?" One of the chemical he's interested in he knows is active within families, but he's never looked for it in a team of relative strangers. He measured the level of oxytocin in the blood before and after a pre-match warm-up ritual on the rugby field. The levels converged getting them in sync with each other. This would have helped them feel bonded and confirmed what Paul's found in his many laboratory experiments - oxytocin seems to be the key to empathy.

But, the results showed something else, another hormone testosterone had increased and this drives aggressive behaviour, so is testosterone the opposite of the moral molecule. Paul "Oxytocin makes us more selfless, testosterone makes us more selfish" Paul believes that what happens on the sports field reflects our moral battlefield in life. What we experience as a battle between good and evil, may be a chemical battle waging inside us.

Perhaps being moral is achieving a balance. For each one of us that process will be different, but what happens if you try and disturb that balance, if you make someone more aggressive than they naturally are? What does it do to a human if you suppress their own moral instinct?

Not all experiments are planned. In Quantico Virginia the marines are part of a radical training programme that has implications far beyond this camp What marines have to do will go against their natural moral instinct. Lt Col Joseph Shusko "Its not human nature to take somebody's life, I don't think its easy to kill someone, I don't think its easy to even think about killing somebody." Because its so unnatural the marines learn to fight step by step making it a routine process. So killing becomes part of the process and they don't think about it. Equipping them with the ability to kill must be combined with the motivation to do so. In the past, that motivation was often hate. What they found was that ignoring the marine's natural sense of morality was starting to destroy them. Taking away all their ethical parameters was removing something fundamental to their brains. Marines kill, but only where necessary to protect another life. It seems our moral instinct can't be suppressed without paying a heavy price.

But, if our natural instinct is to do no harm, how can we explain those seem totally devoid of this feeling? Who have no revulsion at taking a life?

Scientists have embarked on a new dark voyage to understand evil. They've turned to the serial killer, psychopath.

Professor James Fallon
Prof. Jim Fallon

One man has done more than anyone to understand the mind of a psychopath. Psychologist Professor Bob Hare set out on this trail 30 years ago. He was determined to penetrate what lay beneath the mask. "I'm looking at two pictures of very well known infamous serial killers: Jeffrey Dahmer & Ted Bundy. You look at the pictures and see ordinary people, which is what allowed them to behave as they did. Thet were very deviant cold-blooded killers." This was a world he came into by accident. "I needed a job, and the only job I could find was, at the time, as the sole psychologist at the OBC penitentiary, a maximum-security institution in Vancouver." Bob found himself face-to-face with psychopaths. He wanted to find the rules of a psychopath. Bob drew up a check list defining their core personality trtaits. "The essential features of pyschopathy include a profound lack of empathy, general callousness toward other people, these are people without a conscience with shallow ego-centred emotions."

He then devised an experiment, looking into their brains. A psychopathic killer who volunteered was Anthony Frazelle. The evidence seems to suggest that psychopaths have blunted emotional lives which should be apparent in their language. Bob shows Frazells both real and made-up words and asked him to spot the difference. Some of those words would have an emotional charge. Most people would see an emotive word differently to a neutral word, a psychopath doesn't. He ran the experiment with dozens of psychopaths and got the same result. The results were so dramatic that reviewers didn't believe they came from real people.

Psychopaths lack empathy amd emotion, but what else can we see if we peer into the brain.

In California, neuroscientist Jim Fallon picks up the quest.. He had specialised in standard clinical disorders, now he was about to become an expert in the brains of psychopaths. His colleagues had asked him to analyse a number of brain scans without knowing the patient history. He noticed one group that had similar damage to the orbital cortex and the front part of the temporal lobe. After he had made the observation his colleagues revealed these to be the brains of killers. The areas that looked abnormal are crucial for controlling impulsivity and emotions. Fallon's images seemed to confirm what Hare's work had suggested.

If we have established that the mind's of psychopaths are different, th next question is why? Back in Vancouver the direction seemed clear, the path to pursue was genes. The search was on, were there genes that linked to violence? In 1993 the breakthrough came with one family's history. Here, all the men had a background of violence and all lacked the same gene. Prof Fallon "There was one gene that was missing. What was important was that the loss of one gene profoundly affected behaviour" It then emerged that just being born with one variant of this gene could also predispose you to violent behaviour. The MEOA gene became known as The Warrior gene.

It seemed that it could be possible to trace the hallmark of evil in people's brains and genes, so did this mean that if you had both elements you were destined to become a killer? For Jim Fallon, this question was about to become deeply pesonal. At a regular family party a casual remark by his mother took him by surprise. He had a cousin who had killed her father, and there was a history of killing in her family.. Jim took a bold decision to run a check on the entire family for the genes and brain structure linked to violent psychopathic behaviour. The results of the brain scans came back first. When he looked at the results one scan stood out as a classic pattern of a psychopath. The only trouble was, it was his own! He then did the gene tests looking for, not only, the warrior gene but other traits like impulsivity, and again the result pointed at him.

Now Jim started asking himself some unsettling questions, but the reaction from his family was to unsettle him even further. His son and wife were not surprised by the results, they recognised his temper and hot-headednes. His son confessed to being scared of him at times. Jim was forced to be honest with himself "I have characteristics or traits, some of which are psychopathic, yeah"

But if Jim had the brain of a killer, why wasn't he one? The answer is that whether genes are triggered or not will depend on what happens in your childhood. Simply having the warrior gene does not mean that you will be violent